On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 at 11:09, Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is> wrote:
Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 12:59, Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is> wrote:
Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 at 11:37, Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is> wrote:
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Also, I've been following some Qubes work recently, and it sounds like they might be interested in doing X11 over Wayland in a way that wouldn't need special compositor support (and the corresponding potential for security bugs). It sounds like it would be a lot of work though, so we'll see…
Isn't that what Sommelier and wayland-proxy-virtwl are both doing already though? There's no need for any X11 support in the host compositor with them.
Oh I didn't realise that. So the host compositor doesn't have to implement an X11 window manager and speak back to the Xserver, like it does in a normal XWayland setup[1]?
Correct; the proxy acts as the X11 window manager to Xwayland, and just talks plain Wayland to the host. In fact, I managed to work around several problems with Sway's built-in Xwayland integration by using the proxy instead, even on the host (see https://roscidus.com/blog/blog/2021/10/30/xwayland/#bonus-features).
[1]: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html#sect-X11-Application-Sup...
Ah, I now realise you explained all of this in your blog post. Sorry for the silly questions!
By the way, I'm very curious about "[com] is a SpectrumOS VM I use for email, etc.". _I_ don't even consider myself to be running Spectrum, because as far as I'm concerned there's no integrated system to run yet. So what's in that VM that you consider to be Spectrum? :)
Well, I think of it as a spectrum VM, but I guess it has changed a bit! It's based on your demo VM from early 2021, running Wayfire under Sommelier. Except I replaced Sommelier with my proxy, and I removed Wayfire. Instead, it runs "socat vsock-listen:5000 exec:dash" in a loop and I can launch programs inside it from the host by writing to the vsock. e.g. I have a "ff-com" command to launch Firefox in the com VM. It's a bit more Qubes-like than Spectrum really. I also got it to get the applications from the main NixOS repository, as they're more up-to-date, and I replaced the kernel with a newer one because I needed better io_uring support for another project. But your basic build structure and execline boot scripts are still there! It was a useful skeleton, but now I understand how it works, I should probably replace it with something more standard... -- talex5 (GitHub/Twitter) http://roscidus.com/blog/ GPG: 5DD5 8D70 899C 454A 966D 6A51 7513 3C8F 94F6 E0CC